The Last Testament (Vol 4) ~ 02
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| event type | interview |
| date & time | 22 Oct 1985 pm |
| location | Sanai Grove, Rajneeshpuram |
| language | English |
| audio | Available, duration 1h 59min. Quality: good. Live music after the interview. |
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| video | Available, duration 2h 1min. Quality: good. |
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| online text | find the PDF of this discourse |
| shorttitle | LAST402 |
- notes
- synopsis
- Interview. Announcements by Ma Prem Hasya : Sw Deva Nitam from Science 85, Italian edition.
- CD-ROM on this chapter: Interview with Sw Deva Nitam, Science 85 Monthly, Italian edition of the American magazine.
- Question 1
- Bhagwan, I have twelve questions for tonight. The first is a very general question. We know that science knows only about objective reality and doesn't have any understanding of deeper phenomenon, like life and consciousness. This lack of understanding is thought to be one of the main reason(s) for all the ecological disasters and for the continuous increasing of nuclear weapon(s). In your vision, can science be in the service of life and man's evolution? What is your message to scientists to solve this problem?
- Question 2
- There is anything we can do to help this process? There is something sannyasin can do to help this process of transmission of meditation to the university?
- Question 3
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- One of the basic problem(s) of science is language. Science is growing because we have a clear definition of what we are talking about. One of the basic problem(s) for a scientist, when they are trying to understand what the inner journey means, is to define clearly, for example, what consciousness means. I give you, like... most of the scientists doesn't (don't) make any difference between consciousness, awareness or conscious mind. They are using this term in the same way. So I would like to ask you if it's possible to have an understanding about those terms.
- Question 4
- This is what you call the science the religious... that when religious becomes scientific?
- Question 5
- I would like to ask you one question, it is a very delicate question. In the past there have been school and master who have used a very scientific approach to religion or meditation -- like Patanjali, Pythagoras, Gurdjieff. Is there anything in their teaching we can use or we have to create a totally new kind of scientific way?
- Question 6
- Which one could be?
- Question 7
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- Bhagwan, one of the basic problem of (the) psychologists they are using a model of mind where yourself as a subjectivity is the center. And then below that there is an unconscious mind, and a collective unconscious mind. The model you are using seems to have two polarities. One is the self, the conscious mind, our identification with our personality. And then there is (a) layer of mind, and somehow there is this kind of consciousness who is the state in which... is below that, and there is no-mind. And it seems that in human people these two points are together, there is an identification. And in the enlightened one there is a clear observation of this separation between self or personality, and consciousness. Is this so?
- Question 8
- It seems to me that you are trying for us to go in both the directions: somehow to clean our unconscious, deep down...
- Question 9
- This is what Maslow called "peak experience," a moment of...
- Question 10
- Bhagwan, I have a personal question. I'm leaving for Italy and I would like to be there for a while at least. Creating a kind of work to bridge science and meditation. Just to try, I don't have anything clear in mind right now.
- (source: a transcript)
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